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Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007, 09:32 am
yourlibrarian: Problems with LJ feed size on IJ

I'd set up a number of syndicated feeds on InsaneJournal to LJ communities, and for some reason the newsletters were all not coming through whereas other communities were (usually quite quickly). I put in a support request about it and received the following:

"Syndicated accounts will only update if the feed file is under 300KB in size. If there is a larger RSS feed -- for example, the RSS feed of the metafandom community on LiveJournal is 374 KB -- then the syndicated account will return the "too big" error you have seen. (The frequency of
updates does not have an effect, since LiveJournal's syndicated feeds display a limited number of entries at a time.)

You may wish to contact the maintainers of the communities or journals that have this problem, and ask them to modify the feed. In particular, LiveJournal accounts have a 'synlevel' property that can be changed from the default value to either "summary" (which will display part of each entry,
with a link to the rest) or "title" (which will not display any of the entry content, but will include the subject and other information about the entry, along with a link to the rest). If the journal owners or community maintainers are interested in doing this but don't know how, please ask them to open a support request on LiveJournal."

ETA: I also asked LJ Support for instructions on how community mods can do this and received this reply.

"You can change the community's feed settings at the Admin Console
(http://www.livejournal.com/admin/console/) using the following command:

set for examplecomm synlevel summary

You will need to replace "examplecomm" with the name of your community. (An account's synlevel can also be set to "title", which will display the subject line but none of the entry content itself, or to "full", which is the default behaviour; in the above command, you can replace "summary" with either of these two settings if you would prefer a different behaviour.)

If there would be a better/other places to post this, please let me know, but it seems to me this could be a potential problem for people wherever they're setting up shop.

Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 03:40 pm (UTC)
bizarity

If this is mostly happening with newsletters I think it may not be that much of a problem. Most of the newsletters will probably end up (or at least mirror their content) whereever fandom decides to go so there would be less need to RSS them. But it is still interesting to know.

Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 09:04 pm (UTC)
yourlibrarian

I'm not entirely sure that it is happening with only the newsletters. Those stood out to me because they hadn't updated even once in several days. Since most post once a day this made it really obvious nothing was happening.

It could be that only some posts from the other feeds are coming through, but I wouldn't know that without going and checking each community individually. Also since I made that post the same thing has happened with someone's journal here on LJ.

Tue, Aug. 21st, 2007 08:21 pm (UTC)
stele3

It's definitely not just happening with the newsletters. I've created feeds for a bunch of individual users, and they're not working because they're 'Too big.'

Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 08:42 pm (UTC)
makomk

Of course, the downside to doing this is that anyone reading the feed with their own RSS readers will no longer get full article text either. (Unfortunately, Livejournal's RSS support isn't exactly great.)

Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 08:47 pm (UTC)
yourlibrarian

Yeah, it surprises me that that's the problem because it seems to me that some newsletter posts like those at the su_herald just aren't that big whereas I'm getting posts from other communities with giant images and such. I'm not sure how the size is actually the problem.

Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 10:36 pm (UTC)
itrasbiel

The image data isn't sent with the rest of the post data-- only the image tag is, and that's plain HTML and not very large.

Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 10:38 pm (UTC)
yourlibrarian

Ah, no wonder. Thanks.

Fri, Aug. 10th, 2007 12:48 am (UTC)
sasuko

Well...not sure if you're looking for a solution, but if you are, standalone feedreaders are probably the way to go? I'm on firefox, so I use news fox (pretty good, in my opinion; it draws 25 posts per day per feed), and helps me consolidate all my journal readings (I'm on four sites, so filing them neatly helps me see at a glance who updated) really quickly, so I don't need to go to ten places unless I've gotten news otherwise.

It's really pretty cool. ^^

Fri, Aug. 10th, 2007 12:53 am (UTC)
yourlibrarian

Thanks for the tip, it does sound handy. The problem though is that I'm trying to set up the feeds so groups can have access to them there, and so that I can make sure my own community can get through on the feed. As I still have an LJ I can always just come read my flist here :>

Fri, Aug. 10th, 2007 09:40 am (UTC)
sasuko

Oh...in that case I imagine it'll be a bit of a problem.

I have to confess, it's a bit of a pain then. Because heck, telling people "Oh, just sign up for an LJ account to get this on your friends list and view it there" hardly sounds optimal.

Tue, Aug. 21st, 2007 08:19 pm (UTC)
stele3

YES YES, this is exactly what I was looking for! Christ, I have been combing the internet for days.

OK. I'm trying to set up a feed for the LJ SPN newsletter AND a handful of LJ users over on IJ - they all say 'Too big.' So for the spnnewsletter, can I just go to the link above and put in "set for spnnewslettercomm synlevel summary" or whatever it takes to get the kb size down?

Do you know what it takes for individual users? 'exampleuser'? Or just their username?

Thank you SO MUCH for this. I love you a little bit right now.

Tue, Aug. 21st, 2007 10:31 pm (UTC)
amothea

if you get an answer to this can you please post an update in your IJ???

Tue, Aug. 21st, 2007 10:31 pm (UTC)
amothea

p.s. I'm trying to create feeds for JF and I'm running into the same problems you found.

Wed, Aug. 22nd, 2007 12:41 am (UTC)
yourlibrarian

No problem. I ran into this for the same reason. You may want to join the Roadhouse on IJ as I posted this announcement there also because I'd already tried setting up a feed for the newsletter with the same result.

Yes, you should just be able to substitute username for the community name.

Wed, Aug. 22nd, 2007 12:52 am (UTC)
stele3

Ah, gotcha. Did you already contact the maintainer of the SPN newsletter? I emailed estrella30.

Wed, Aug. 22nd, 2007 01:03 am (UTC)
yourlibrarian

I had contacted them a few weeks ago asking if they planned to crosspost the newsletter. At the time some of the mods were unavailable and I was told they'd discuss it when they could all IM. At the time another newsletter announced plans to start crossposting and the third was going to consider doing so, which would make the feed issue moot (at least for the three non-functioning feeds I had on my hands). However I haven't mentioned the community feed setting to them yet, nor do I know if they've discussed the crosspost issue either, so if you want to pass that along that would be great!

Wed, Aug. 22nd, 2007 12:57 am (UTC)
stele3

Also: I created feeds for the LJ Supernaturalfic community (http://feeds.insanejournal.com/spnfic_lj/profile) and the LJ Supernaturalvid community (http://feeds.insanejournal.com/spnvid_lj/profile), if you wanna tell people in the Roadhouse.

I've joined up, so hopefully we shall be able to combine our powers. :) I thought I was the only one out there, tryin' to make the feeds and such.

Wed, Aug. 22nd, 2007 01:05 am (UTC)
yourlibrarian

Terrific! I'll make an annoucement about those. Please post about any other comms or feeds too.

Thu, Aug. 23rd, 2007 09:21 am (UTC)
xie_xie_xie

Sorry to come in so long after this post had died out, but I found it via google.

I have a journal on LJ and a journal on IJ, and many of my friends have put the feed to my IJ on their LJ friends list. I put it on mine, too.

I'm getting the "too big" error, and can't figure out which admin console to go to. When I go to LJ's, it lets me change xie_xie_xie to "summary," but that should only affect a feed of my LJ TO IJ, not my IJ to LJ, right?

When I try to use my IJ feed name which is xieinsane, it says there is no such user.

When I try to use the admin console at IJ, it tells me that I am not an administrator of the community xie_xie_xie (that's not a community, it's my IJ and I'm logged in), and when I use the feed name, it says "that is not a community."

If anyone can suggest how I can make sure my feed FROM InsaneJournal TO LiveJournal is not "too big," I'd be very grateful!

Thanks,

Xie

Thu, Aug. 23rd, 2007 09:35 am (UTC)
xie_xie_xie

I have no idea if it matters, but the feed name is insanexie, not xieinsane.

This is the page with the "too big" message...

http://syndicated.livejournal.com/insanexie/profile

It says I haven't updated in SIX DAYS, which is clearly not true as I update multiple times a day, and some of my posts are very short.

Thu, Aug. 23rd, 2007 04:46 pm (UTC)
yourlibrarian

Good question, I haven't tried it in reverse, sending an IJ feed to LJ. I would have thought it worked the same way but from what you're saying perhaps it isn't. Have you put in a support request for that at IJ?

Thu, Aug. 23rd, 2007 05:41 pm (UTC)
xie_xie_xie

I just just heard from both LJ and IJ about this, so for future reference, feel free to spread this around anywhere:

If you are syndicating a LiveJournal to be read on another journal site, go to:

http://www.livejournal.com/admin/console/

and use the command:

set for example synlevel summary

replacing example with your username or the community name.

However, if you are syndicating a personal journal on InsaneJournal to be read on a LiveJournal friends page, then be sure you are logged into your personal account, the one you want to edit the feed for, then go to:

http://www.insanejournal.com/admin/console/

and enter just this, with no journal name:

set synlevel summary

If you are syndicating an ASYLUM on IJ to be read on a LiveJournal friends page, then be sure you are logged into an account that is an administrator for that asylum, and enter this code:

set for example synlevel summary

Replacing example with the asylum name.

You can also use the word title or the word full in place of summary in any of those commands. Title will show just the title and a link to the post, and full will show the full post, although that's problematic and you probably won't want to do that.

I set my IJ to "summary" and it accepted the command... hopefully it will work!

Xie

Thu, Aug. 23rd, 2007 06:20 pm (UTC)
yourlibrarian

I hope so too. Thank you for the information!