the great fandom migration
Wed, Aug. 8th, 2007, 04:00 pm
scarah2: I just want to make sure everyone has seen this buried subthread
We report child pornography to the NCMEC, as required by law.
Scroll down to markf
's reply in particular. It's heavily implied that ponderosa121
were reported to the National Center for Missing and Exploited
I'm going to check innocence_jihad
and if this isn't already there, I'm gonna crosspost it. Sorry if you see it twice, but I'm finding that a lot of people haven't lurked quite as aggressively as I have and haven't seen it.
Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 01:37 am (UTC)
I just thought I'd mention that the AFA has decided to jump on the bandwagon concerning obscenity. I don't think it's a coincidence that they sent out this bulletin to anyone who subscribes to their news letters at the same time that LJ finally decides to come forward with so called "clarifications". Here's what their current e-mail says, just for reference.Please help us get this information into the hands of as many people as possible by forwarding it to your entire email list of family and friends.
Protect our children from obscenity; sign the petition asking candidates to enforce obscenity laws
Pornographers go after our children while elected officials refuse to enforce obscenity laws
Our children need your help! It has been reported that there are as many as 10,000,000 pornographic sites on the Internet. The average age for those first exposed to Internet obscenity is 11 and the largest consumer group is 12-17 year-olds. Nine out of ten of 8-16 year-olds have viewed pornography online. Yet, in the past 15 years, under both the Clinton and Bush administrations, there has not been a single federal prosecution of a major distributor of Internet, in-room movie, cell phone or cable TV obscenity. Not one! (There were a couple of prosecutions of small, mom and pop type pornographers.)
The major pornographers have no fear of prosecution. Why? Because those responsible for enforcing the law fear the pornographers more than they fear the mothers and fathers of America, and they care more about the hawkers of pornography than they do our children.
Our children are being robbed of their childhood by greedy pornographers and cowardly officials. Please understand that I’m not referring to trashy TV. I am referring to hardcore pornography.
For a description of the kind of material bombarding our children, and the kind of material officials refuse to prosecute, click here. WARNING! This description is taken straight from movies being offered in hotels, on the Internet, on cell phones and on cable TV. It is graphic and extremely offensive.
Please join me in signing a petition to the presidential candidates asking each candidate to sign a pledge that if elected, they will enforce federal obscenity laws. We will notify you, the public and media of each candidate’s decision. The Supreme Court has consistently ruled that obscenity isn’t protected under the First Amendment.
Thanks for helping protect our children. Our children’s future is indeed dark if caring adults refuse to help them. If you believe our efforts to be worthwhile, would you consider making a small tax-deductible donation to help us continue? Click here to donate.
Sign the petition to presidential candidates asking them to pledge to enforce federal obscenity laws.
Please help us promote this effort to protect our children. Forward this to your family and friends. Ask your pastor to promote this effort in church newsletters and bulletins.
Print and distribute the Enforce Obscenity Laws Petition. (PDF format)
If you think our efforts are worthy, would you please support us with a small gift? Thank you for caring enough to get involved.
Please help us get this information into the hands of as many people as possible by forwarding it to your family and friends.
Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
American Family Association
P.S. Please forward this e-mail message to your family and friends!
Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 01:42 am (UTC)
I despise how these so-called "family" groups are always screaming "MAKE A NEW LAW!" instead of "Hey, where are these kids' parents?"
Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 01:44 am (UTC)
My thoughts exactly. That said you can't shelter your kid forever, but I think if parents would just explain this shit to their children this wouldnt be a problem.
Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 01:47 am (UTC)
Or, you know, not leave their 8-year-old alone on a computer with unfiltered internet access.
It's a difficult concept, I know, but... :P
Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 01:59 am (UTC)
IAWTC times a fucking thousand. Child predators would find *properly educated* children a much harder target than those kept in enforced ignorance and actually *encouraged* to feel guilt and shame about everything sex-related. That way of raising a child only absolutely *ensures* that theyll have no idea how to defend themselves or what to defend themselves against, that theyll never tell anyone what happened to them if they are molested, *and* that the unwarranted guilt the child then attaches to the memory of even a relatively mild such incident will make their lives miserable for years afterwards.
Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 01:51 am (UTC)
Don't you know that it's the responsibly of everyone else to conform to their idea or morality in order to protect the children not the the responsibly of parents to parent?
Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 01:55 am (UTC)
i have a friend who ended up on this list (we have no idea how
, which makes it more amusing) and forwards me these sometimes. hadn't seen this one yet, though.
what's disturbing, as everyone is saying below, is how quickly people assume that an organization like the AFA is accurately representing reality.
Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 01:56 am (UTC)
er, above, that is.
Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 01:58 am (UTC)
I honestly don't know how i ended up subscribing to their "alerts" either lol. I think you can sign your friends up or something I dunno. Anyways, i once got a very pathetic email from them claiming that someone was ttrying to destroy the country by opening a session of the senate with a hindu prayer. I lol'd needless to say XD
Fri, Aug. 10th, 2007 02:37 pm (UTC)
As someone who birthed and is raising two sons, and who lives with both them and their father, I despise hearing the word "family" tossed around by nutballs like this.
They always talk about what's good for "families," too. As though this group of blood-related people worry about fictional characters having sex or as though we're too stupid to supervise our kids/leave pornography accessible to our children. (I wouldn't do that per se, because if I busted my kids reading porn, I'd be embarrassed as all heck because they're little and I don't know how to explain porn to little people-- so I kind of have my reasons for keeping stuff hidden!)
Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 02:01 am (UTC)
Uh, "largest consumer group is 12-17 year-olds"? And they don't even think of the parents who are (presumably, supposedly) paying for all this porn their children are looking at?
*snerk* Ok, that's just bogus. But that was my first thought.
Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 02:03 am (UTC)
yeah i laughed at that too.
Sun, Aug. 12th, 2007 03:16 pm (UTC)
I started reading porn when I was 11, actually. It was softcore in the form of a romance novel that you can find in any bookstore or library. I stopped reading books when I found I could find more descriptive stuff on the Internet for free (that happened when I was 15).
I have to say, it hasn't been the smut that's destroyed my childhood innocence as much as 9/11 and it's after effects.
Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 03:04 am (UTC)
9 out of 10? Wow. I was behind the curve.
And here I always thought the largest consumer group for porn was adult males. O_o
I didn't intentionally
watch visual movie-porn until I was, oh, 20. I picked up my first romance novel (and anyone who says that isn't softcore porn for girls is kidding himself) when I was 14, and started reading smut fanfics online at... I'm not actually sure. I was old enough, though. I know this 'cause when I accidentally clicked on an NC-17 fic when I was 12 (and this was before COPPA, I might add), I wasn't interested
. I was confused, in fact, as to why this was entertaining. Because I had been raised properly, I wasn't interested in sexual things before an appropriate time.
Personally, I think our children are being robbed of their childhoods by their parents. Kids are under so much more pressure now than they were even a decade ago when I was a kid. And I didn't exactly lead a stress-free life. Kids now are expected to be miniature adults, ultra-achievers in school, good at four or five sports, every afternoon scheduled to within an inch of their little lives.
But clearly, we're
the danger here.
I've given all of my friends instructions to hit me, hard, if I ever start showing signs of raising my children as poorly as most parents today do. Not that I think that will happen, 'cause I have, y'know, sense
Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 05:54 am (UTC)
Oh for fuck's sake. My sister's family had a password for the internet when the kids were young, so they could only get on when the parents were there to watch them. It's not exactly difficult to do that if they are so worried.
I just don't get why it's such a big deal if kids see something. When I was a kid (10-ish), some of my friends & classmates watched their parents' and siblings' porn videos and showed them to the rest of us. I doubt that it left any everlasting trauma on anyone, people were just "eww". How is seeing a couple of pics online any worse? Is it - yet again - because they show that not every John want to fuck a Sally?
Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 05:55 am (UTC)
Oh andwould you please support us with a small gift?
Very nice. So this
is why they are so Very Concerned.
Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 10:28 am (UTC)
Why is this any of 6A's business?
Pornographers don't *target a child audience*.
Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 02:22 pm (UTC)
Exactly. Ask any video store employee. My sister's boyfriend works at a video rental place and he says that the majority of people going into the porn section are grown men. It's commone knowledge. Who are they kidding with these letters and "alerts"?
Thu, Aug. 9th, 2007 02:44 pm (UTC)
"The average age for those first exposed to Internet obscenity is 11 and the largest consumer group is 12-17 year-olds. Nine out of ten of 8-16 year-olds have viewed pornography online."
This is probably the same percentage of teens that found their fathers' Playboy and porn stash from the late 60s until the 90s.
Sun, Aug. 12th, 2007 05:08 pm (UTC)
*cheerfully raises hand*
Fri, Aug. 10th, 2007 02:33 pm (UTC)
a) They think kids aren't cluey and curious enough to seek out porniness? I know I was skulking around newsagencies trying to get a look at the pinups in Australian Women's Forum
when I was aged between 9 and 16. Really, the supervision problem comes down to parents or guardians or dodgy security on the sites and places where porn is available.The major pornographers have no fear of prosecution. Why? Because those responsible for enforcing the law fear the pornographers more than they fear the mothers and fathers of America, and they care more about the hawkers of pornography than they do our children.
b) Are slash writers technically "pornographers?" The way that letter sounds, it's like we're a bunch of leering old ladies hanging around Knockturn Alley trying to sell our dodgy wares. Last time I checked, due to copyright issues and general fandom etiquette, no one was making money out of this.
We're major pornographers now? AWESOME.
c) I wonder if Donald E. Wilmon's kids were going through his bedside table looking for copies of Hustler
while he was writing that letter...
Fri, Aug. 10th, 2007 03:08 pm (UTC)
C made me laugh XD
Fri, Aug. 10th, 2007 03:10 pm (UTC)
Nine out of ten of 8-16 year-olds have viewed pornography online.
Conveniently forgetting to mention just how many of those omgCHILDREN went looking for it
. When I was eight, I didn't have internet, but I had a public library that kept books by Judy Blume. Sex fascinated me, so I read about it, same as every other subject which has fascinated me over the years. Where were my parents? Well, I think people underestimate the ability of eight-year-olds to be incredibly sneaky. If anyone is to be blamed, why wouldn't it be a) my parents, for not keeping an eye on what I was reading, or b) me, for lying my head off? Give eight-year-old me some credit. I knew exactly what I was doing.
And I've seen porn I didn't want to see-- in pop-up ads.
Fri, Aug. 10th, 2007 03:14 pm (UTC)
Definitely. if a kid's not online looking it up, then they're in the dictionary looking up the word penis with all their friends and giggling. i didnt gain access to the internet until i was about 13 or 14 and i knew EVERYTHING about sex before that :)
also i wasnt interested in porn anyway because my parents did the responsible thing and actually sat me down to explain
stuff to me.
p.s. howd you come up with your username? are you a fan of virtual pets? i have a kitty nano myself :P
Sun, Aug. 12th, 2007 03:24 pm (UTC)
"Conveniently forgetting to mention just how many of those omgCHILDREN went looking for it. "
Nods. That's usually how I find it. How I've *been* finding it since I was 15.
Came across my mom's smut books accidentally, but now I choose to read it as choice. The Internet has contributed *far* more to my sex education than my parents.
My mom just gave me a book with the technical details (maybe to turn me off to sex? :s), and that was my sex ed (well that and watching women get raped, molested, beat and murdered on Lifetime).
I was 14, and I had a boyfriend who was overly...he wanted to do things before I was ready. Thankfully, we didn't see each other outside of school, but...I *know* he would've raped me (he was a horny 15 year old boy, and at the time, I was incredibly uncomfortable saying no) if he had the chance.
I think, if I had read rape fics at 14 (since I know my parents wouldn't have talked to me about it; let's face it, they're prudes!), I would've been able to *further* understand what rape was, and been able to realize that it's okay to say no, and that I have a right to say no.
And no, I don't condone rape. To be honest, I like reading rape fics not for the rape itself, but for the recovery that happens afterwards. To get to see the healing process and all that. I wouldn't wish rape on my worst enemy.